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ethmongul
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Posted: Fri Sep 25th, 2009 07:50 pm |
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My airbrush has just arrived! I, seriously am still in awe, that I actually have purchased one.
This post is going to be my play by play saga, as I attempt to figure out all of the different things that can be accomplished with this tool. I've just been screwing around with water spraying for the last 1/2hr, and am so excited that I almost broke the freaking thing.
More posts are definately coming, including how to's, color composites, failures, and technique work.
Last edited on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 07:50 pm by ethmongul
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ethmongul
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Posted: Sat Sep 26th, 2009 01:51 pm |
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Twaimn has graciously given me about 100+ guard to get based white. This is the perfect start to on my quest.
After getting setup, I tried to make a solution out of GW paints that was inherently too watery. They first coat is on and drying, but I'm not to happy with it. I'm going to have to keep playing with it some more.
No picts, sorry but at this stage, it just isn't worth it.
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Brother Tiberius
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Posted: Sat Sep 26th, 2009 05:17 pm |
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I used to have an airbrush. What kind did you buy?
I can probably find some time to help you get it up and running, but you might have to buy some different paints.
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ethmongul
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Posted: Sat Sep 26th, 2009 06:10 pm |
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I bought the Vellejo master set. The kit and the gun are both pretty awesome, but I was kinda figuring that I could beef up my color selection, by using GW paints as well.
Truth be told, now that my initial pieces are dry, they don't look 1/2 bad. I sprayed about 30 models with a first coat of white, that I mixed using Skull White and water. I still actually have to try the Vellejo colors and how they are supposed to be used. The main instructions are very specific about making sure the coats are 'transparent', meaning very thin. They are firm believers in 3 thin coats is better than 1 thick coat, and I agree with them.
This is just about me getting used to a new thing, and my first idea not quite working to my initial expectations. Like with every new thing, you have to keep at it and practice to get good at it. Hell, its taken me 12yrs and a lot of 'little men' to get to this stage, I am prepared for a little dissapointment.
I would be pleased to have you show me what you know. Or you could just post up your ideas too. The kit I got came with every color that it could think of using, I just haven't used those colors yet. They even have some metalics in there, which I thought was impossible to do with an airbrush effectively.
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Brother Tiberius
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Posted: Sat Sep 26th, 2009 06:12 pm |
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| I think you are on the right track. I used a Paasche VL. It was a nice starter brush. Yes, definitely thin the paint. It worked best when it looked like milk.
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ethmongul
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Posted: Sat Sep 26th, 2009 07:20 pm |
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Yeah, milk is the proper term. I just was playing around with the actual Vellejo stuff and some different mixes thinking thicker was better. Big mistake, the thing clogged up in 30 second intervals.
First I have to play around with different mixes and then, play around with how far the airbrush should be away from the model. I managed to paint my hand properly just now, not the fig in my estimation. My hand has a beautiful coat, all proper and even, but we'll see how the figs look when they've dried up a bit.
Last edited on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 07:21 pm by ethmongul
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ethmongul
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Posted: Sat Sep 26th, 2009 08:43 pm |
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And finally a breakthrough. Because of the recent defeats with the white paint (after reading some internet papers on airbrushing certain colors, I have found that white is one of those colors that covers well after about 5-6 coats and is recommended for a very watery mix), I decided to test out the GW washes through the gun. What a very good suprise that turned out to be.
I have washed 32 models, 3 times, with three different colors, all within a 30 minute time frame. I also used only 1/2 of the wash that I normally use for that same amount of figures.
I found out that you can use just the straight air out of the brush to dry the figs after you spray them with the wash. It took a couple of trys to get myself aiming correctly and to get the distance right, but after 2 minis, I was in the groove.
I'm going to let them dry overnight and get some picts up hopefully tommorrow.
Last edited on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 08:43 pm by ethmongul
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ethmongul
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Posted: Tue Sep 29th, 2009 12:46 pm |
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Soooooooo, on Sun. I went to Grnfld nws-hobby and picked up some stuff to help me in this venture. I got some glass eyedroppers (for mixing ratios), a testors splinch pack (basically some extremely long syringes and glass jars), and some of the Vellejo thinner (for actually using the correct product to thin the airbrush colors). I also picked up some latex gloves (I really liked the way my hand turned out on Sat., but I really don't want to scrub paint off for a 1/2 hr again), and some future wax (I hear tell that this is the greatest thing for finishing off models, and inbetween wash coats).
Boroth is making the FW order on Fri. and he has graciously added my order of the Masterclass painting book, so that should be here soon. I didn't get anything done last night however, due to the fact that the wifey and me got to use the fireplace together last night.
This mornings fun has been to get my new stuff all lined up for use tonight, so I can get down to some serious work.
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ethmongul
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Posted: Tue Sep 29th, 2009 11:58 pm |
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| Finnaly success!, I managed to get the white mixed properly. I'm going to let them dry tonight and take picts tommorrow. I sure hope Twaimn is coming to arts night, cause I have the first bunch of his guard all done and am going to need the rest of them if he wants them done by the rock.
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ethmongul
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Posted: Wed Sep 30th, 2009 10:49 am |
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And some picts. The first set is done with the GW mix of white and water.
Attachment: airbrush1_0547_edited-1.JPG (Downloaded 54 times)
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ethmongul
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Posted: Wed Sep 30th, 2009 10:51 am |
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The second 2 are with the Vellajo white and the thinner product. Oh yeah, the first set is 2 coats, while the 2-3 sets are just 1 coat. You can probably see why I am so happy.
Attachment: airbrush1_0548_edited-1.JPG (Downloaded 54 times)
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ethmongul
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Posted: Wed Sep 30th, 2009 10:53 am |
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And a little more focused shot. The mix was 1 part thinner to 3 parts paint that I mixed in another jar and then eyedropped into the gun. C+C is always welcome.
Attachment: airbrush1_0549_edited-1.JPG (Downloaded 54 times)
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Brother Tiberius
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Posted: Wed Sep 30th, 2009 11:05 am |
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I rarely used my airbrush on individual figures, because a spray primer was faster and more economical. But you've got a new toy, and I don't want to stop you!
My SoB tanks are in white, and that was where the airbrush really came through. I used Tamiya paints and thinners, and it really gave them a good white base for further painting.
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ethmongul
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Posted: Wed Sep 30th, 2009 12:38 pm |
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Yeah, it is a little unwieldy on figs, but Twaimn has to get some stuff done for Rock-con and this was a perfect opportunity to get him set up fast.
I really learned a lot from this project. Especially mixing ratios and what other supplies I'm going to need for future stuff. But, I think I'm going to let Twaimn primer up the rest of his stuff. This is just going to take too long to get ready in the time available. However, he has about 70 models to get going on.
I'm thinking about adding some effects to my BW's at this moment, and maybe some quick upgrades to the Stompa's. Maybe some rust effects and some dirt splotches. This thing is going to do wonders with the terrain projects though. We have quite a bit to prepare for with Rockcon and the Big game.
Of course, I also have some more orks that I want to purchase and paint up, including more vehicles and the like.
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Posted: Sun Oct 4th, 2009 04:10 pm |
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This is a late post but what I do to keep the airbrush from clogging is strain the paint (after thinning it down) through sheer socks for women.
I just cut a section and rubber band it to the top of the airbrush pot and slowly pour the paint through it.
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ethmongul
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Posted: Sun Oct 4th, 2009 05:44 pm |
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What kind of paint are you using? That is a great tip and I just might try it with the GW stuff, but I really got the mixture good with the Vellejo stuff.
I wonder....... If you attach the pantyhose over the end of the airbrush and spray throught them, that should in theory fan out the pattern.
I'll have to play with it.
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Posted: Mon Oct 5th, 2009 03:38 am |
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ethmongul wrote: If you attach the pantyhose over the end of the airbrush and spray throught them, that should in theory fan out the pattern.
I'll have to play with it.
Spray through the panyhose? That seems like it'll just result in soaking the hose and then it'll start to spatter.
I think it might be interesting, but probably won't fan out the pattern, as it were.
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ethmongul
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Posted: Mon Oct 5th, 2009 12:46 pm |
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| I am in agreement with you, but I was just reading about 'rust' blotches and this might work for it.
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Brother Tiberius
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Posted: Mon Oct 5th, 2009 01:14 pm |
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| One of the things i found was that I really ran much less pressure through my brush than I should have. A higher pressure made a finer mist and less Splotching from the brush. the coloration was much more subtle too. All from going from 20 to 35-40 psi.
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ethmongul
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Posted: Mon Oct 5th, 2009 04:43 pm |
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| Yeah, I found that out too. One of the things that I noticed though, was that it speed up the amount of product that I was putting on the model and if I wasn't watching closely, I ran out very quickly. Especially with the washes.
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