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crterry
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 04:30 pm |
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lads,
I had really grown weary of playing my SOB's, and I really wanted to sell them.
But now, as I read more about 5th edition, I'm glad it didn't work out. Sisters will be a force in 5th.
Cheap solid infantry, basically unbreakable. Denies the lash on 5+, tons of units carrying multiple flamer template weapons in cheap transports.
I figure I can put 60 power armoured troops, (just in the troop slots) decked out the way I would normally deck them for around 950 points including one mounted unit in a rhino.
That leaves me almost half a list for "toys."
So I add:
1.) a cannonness with celestian retinue mounted in an immolator. around 300 points with hitting on 3+ eviscerators
2.)4 meltgun dominion squad in a rhino, 220-235 ish
3.)Retributors with heavy bolters, 200
But I'll have to ditch some wargear (50 points or so) to squeeze in two exorcists to keep the list at 1850.
Better than 80 models in power armour, two tanks, three mounted squads 11-12 starting faith points.
That's punk.
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Brother Tiberius
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 04:56 pm |
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| Don't forget, you should also have the ability to run, which means those footslogging squad will get big repositioning moves in the event that they need to PUHA. Run the squad away from an advancing enemy and run a short dominion squad up as a buffer to take the assault. Then reposition and shoot.
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HDEagle71
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 05:23 pm |
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| Very nasty and cool!
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Wolf Man
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 05:56 pm |
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Brother Tiberius wrote: Don't forget, you should also have the ability to run
Don't forget that EVERYBODY has the ability to run.
I really only see the horde armies like Orks and Bugs making series strides (pun intended) in 5th Edition.
Cover saves are far more abundant and generally 4+.
So, shooty armies won't be killing as much stuff in the shooting phase, while h2h armies will be on you far quicker than you're used to.
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Brother Tiberius
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 06:28 pm |
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Wolf Man wrote: Brother Tiberius wrote: Don't forget, you should also have the ability to run
Don't forget that EVERYBODY has the ability to run.
I really only see the horde armies like Orks and Bugs making series strides (pun intended) in 5th Edition.
Cover saves are far more abundant and generally 4+.
So, shooty armies won't be killing as much stuff in the shooting phase, while h2h armies will be on you far quicker than you're used to.
Run your little T3 horde army toward my 6 strong dominion squad with 4 flamers and a braizer of holy fire. Now that they got the rule in place that you place the flamer template to burn the maximum number of models, and then multiply by the number of templates in place (rather than placing them individually based off of casualty removal), I'm sure that I'll be happily burning a bunch of little greenskins or scuttlin bugs, all while I use that same squad to tie up any montrous creature for more shooty power.
Go ahead. Do it.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 07:02 pm |
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My question is are they going to re-cost the Rhino for the WH list in a FAQ somewhere? Otherwise, you're still going to be paying 50pts for a basic refrigerator on treads, a notable disadvantage.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 07:44 pm |
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Rhinos and other transports in a sisters list are for counter attacking units to converge on the scene of a fight.
With their ability to block line of sight now, and screen units, I'll be using them like mobile cover after they dump troops.
I don't worry about the run rule so much. The bugs have more or less had it in the past, and orks without choppas aren't nearly as scary for massed ranks of powerarmoured troops as they used to be.
Sisters win in close range fights, their ability to use faith pushes them over the top. When talking about hordes, I'll put my flamers to the test before I sweat it.
Back to studying now...
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Wolf Man
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 07:46 pm |
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Brother Tiberius wrote: Run your little T3 horde army toward my 6 strong dominion squad with 4 flamers and a braizer of holy fire. Now that they got the rule in place that you place the flamer template to burn the maximum number of models, and then multiply by the number of templates in place (rather than placing them individually based off of casualty removal), I'm sure that I'll be happily burning a bunch of little greenskins or scuttlin bugs, all while I use that same squad to tie up any montrous creature for more shooty power.
Go ahead. Do it.
K.
but first off, who's T3? Termagaunts and Grots? H2H horde armies are hardly made of such things. And if you're basing your argument on comparing basic troopers to your more elite squads... well then good luck in a real game scenario. (and can't termagants/hormagaunts be upgraded?)
I'm not especially familiar with the 'Nids so I'll just mention the Outflank rule that's coming out for 5th edition and the fact that Lictors will have a 2+ cover save when running behind their own troops.  Also, it seems that the Bounding Leap rule (or whatever it is they have) for hormagaunts pretty much nullifies your flamers. You can move 6 and shoot 'em a little over 8 inches. They could move and charge you from 18" away I believe. I'm not certain, but I just have a hunch that the 'Nids will get mucho better than they are now (and they're good right now).
Orks. T3??? Nah. We'z tuffer dan dat! You have an effective flamer reach of 14" on your turn. Assuming that we start 24" from each other and all orks are running, we are mostly about 15 inches from each other... just outside your reach. With an average roll next turn we are on you with the WAAAAGH! rule and you haven't even turned on the pilot light to your precious flamers. If you were to take the first turn? Ga'head. you just get a little closer (or perhaps dirty your britches and move away). With Ghazkull on the field, the WAAAGH! move is a guaranteed 6 inches for every squad - giving all mobs an effective charge range of 18" Meaning with normal run moves on turn one, the Orks can charge anything within nearly 28" of their deployment on TURN TWO. So you shoot them. Right? Except that thin line of grots in from of them grants them a 4+ cover save.  ...and these are Ork TROOPS, mind you. Hell, if I knew I was playin' bolter and flamer totin' chickas I'd just make 'em 'ard boyz and give a 4+ armor save to boot.
And if you can't stop rubbing yourself to the thought of flamers in 5th ed., then just remember that every Ork in a Burna Boy mob gets one. AND they get to run. AND they get cover saves from the boyz in front. Which is scarier? the Burna Boyz with a Run rule? or the Dominion Squad with a Run rule?
Orks will be moving faster and taking less casualties on their way to rip you a new one. And I just have a feeling that the 'Nids will be quicker and nastier too.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 08:01 pm |
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Soundz like lotz o big talkinz to me. Ready to put your teef up on dis un?
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Wolf Man
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 08:38 pm |
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crterry wrote: Soundz like lotz o big talkinz to me. Ready to put your teef up on dis un?
Honestly, since everyone under the sun has now jumped on the Ork bandwagon (or battlewagon as it were), I've become seriously disillusioned with the idea of an Ork army and have done zero amount of work on them since I played you last in your basement that cold winter night (One of only two sightings of my ork army - i believe).
However, I'm hoping that the 5th ed. boxed set re-energizes the spirits of Gork and Mork within my Mek Boyz and things can get underway again. Hopefully this fall will see renewed construction of my mobs.
Then, absolutely, I will put mah teef where'z me mouf iz at.
Now that you're all Dr. Daddy though, I doubt you're coming here (Maryland) to play, and my several Milwaukee trips this summer will clean me out of available vacation time. It may be another cold winter night before we could do battle with my Orks again. 
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 08:55 pm |
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Maybeez wez could getz wit a throw downz cum dat rock con time?
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Wolf Man
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 09:20 pm |
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crterry wrote: Maybeez wez could getz wit a throw downz cum dat rock con time?
Now dat's a good idea! I iz gonna git summa me boyz toogevah and we iz gonna stomp dem pointy chested 'umies to da dirt!
Har! Har! Har!
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 09:29 pm |
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U dink u can getz enough boyz together for 2500 or 3000 of them points?
Now dat would be a throw down.
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Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 10:59 pm |
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I completely agree that sisters are a nasy force with 5th ed. who cares if the rhino costs an extra 15 points?
I will say, terry, when pointing out your power lists, you should switch to 1750. All the RTTs switched to that last year
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Wolf Man
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 01:08 am |
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crterry wrote: U dink u can getz enough boyz together for 2500 or 3000 of them points?
Now dat would be a throw down.
hmmm... lemme think....
ahhhhhh.... No.
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 01:12 am |
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twaimn wrote: I completely agree that sisters are a nasy force with 5th ed. who cares if the rhino costs an extra 15 points?
I will say, terry, when pointing out your power lists, you should switch to 1750. All the RTTs switched to that last year
Well, I'll keep that in mind thanks. At the rate I play in RTT's verus the number of years I've played 40k, that means I should have to worry about that in say...just about 17 more years.
CT
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 01:14 am |
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Wolf Man wrote: hmmm... lemme think....
ahhhhhh.... No.
Yuz aint much of a boss nows ar ya? Howz yoz eva hope to stomp da humies wit so few of da boyz?
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 04:53 am |
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Don't underestimate the lack of being able to consolidate into a unit after winning the combat.
you'll hit that first unit hard, but then be flat-footed right in front of the rest of the army.
in the test games I've played, the assault vs. shooty stuff has been REALLY even.
and those grots have to actually partially block line of sight to the bodies of the orks behind them, so any sisters up in a building will be able to shoot right over the grots, and you'll not get the save.
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Wolf Man
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 01:49 pm |
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TW wrote: you'll hit that first unit hard, but then be flat-footed right in front of the rest of the army.
Dat's why we iz wearin' da Doctor Schorks foot pads wit arch supports.
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ethmongul
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Posted: Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 02:14 pm |
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and youz guys rip me 'or me grammar all yous guys can eat squig poop
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