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Brother Tiberius
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 02:00 pm |
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D Company Members,
Due to recent posts that were made by a member on this site, Brad and I had a discussion about the use of this website. We have sent this same message directly to the member that made the posts.
However, in the interests of full disclosure, I have decided to share that message with the other members of the group. We are certainly a group of free thinkers, and spenders. I think Brad and I would like this position to be principled and consistent, for the member and others that might come across this site.
This is not to say that we would not reconsider the policy at some point down the road. I don't even know if it is fair to call this a policy, and it certainly doesn't seem 40k enough. Maybe we can call it a Inquisitorial Mandate or some such?
The point is everyone is free to go and game (and spend) where they would like. Back when D Company was founded, one of the High Lords was fairly adamant about not being affiliated with any one shop. I felt differently about that at the time, but now I am starting to see some wisdom in that position.
To be clear, we appreciate past generosity from various game shops within our operational area and there are at least two such stores that have done so; for our last tournament, and the one that Dan recently ran at the library. The member that made those posts was very generous in supporting Dan's effort. We also want the member to continue to be a contributing member of our site because we haven't really had this issue before.
If you have any questions, or wish to discuss it, please PM me, reply via this thread, or call me.
Thanks,
Kurt
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Hello SnowRaven,
My name is Kurt Ellmauer, and I am one of the moderators for D Company's website. I am also a licensed attorney and I have handled some matters on behalf of various D Company members and concerns. I've spoken with Brad Leak, who is the founder of this particular website, along with the corresponding photo blogs that are linked to this site. Brad is also a small business owner in addition to his full-time position as an engineer.
After discussing the recent posts on this site, we wanted to write and tell you that we are grateful that you would like to be a member of our site. We also appreciate how difficult it is to be a business owner.
However, we would like you to refrain from using this website solely to advertise your business.
D Company has largely refrained from endorsing any one game shop as we are an independent gaming group. Indeed, while we predominantly game 40k, some members have done other gaming systems, including Battletech, Flames of War, Warhammer Old West, Gutshot, RPGs and boardgames like Zombies!!! and Axis and Allies.
More than a few of us once patronized Napoleons. Some members are comfortable at AiG, or the GW store on Layton. Others frequent a Hobbytown, and as far as I know, some have even gamed at Virtual Magic and your other shop on Silver Spring Drive. While it has been some time, I myself have patronized Virtual Magic for 40k, CCG, and RPG purchases. AiG was once generous to us in donating space for a day to run a tournament. Certainly they recieved a benefit from that arrangement.
Similarly, we appreciate that your store has supported one of our members, Dan Bearss, in his recent tournament effort, and if our members would run certain events in the future. We hope that your past generosity also made business sense for you and I will certainly consider your store for future purchases.
With that in mind, we have no issue if you want to post about a tournament you are running, the entry fee, or even if a person participates that they would recieve a discount on purchases. We'd even be OK with you posting that there is a certain gaming release on sale in conjunction with at tournament publicity message.
But the same will also hold true for other game shops that might come to our site and we will strive to be consistent and principled in that regard. Unfortunately, for better or worse, you were the first one that caused this to be an issue.
I will likely also be copying this message for D Company on the site, so that it is clear what the position is. D Company is largely a group of free thinkers, and spenders.
I will be closing your posts, but I don't know how quickly they will drop off. Future posts will likely be summarily deleted, and if necessary, we will consider revocation of membership in this site. We hope that it doesn't come to that.
If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me via this site, or by telephone at 414-350-3357. That is my personal cell phone number.
Thank you for your time and consideration of this matter.
Very truly yours,
Kurt J. Ellmauer
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midnight
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 02:43 pm |
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I agree with what you guys are doing, but I wonder if there might be a middle ground?
If these shop owners want to blast advertisements for their sales, why not create a forum JUST for the ads? Perhaps below "Off-Topic". Allow people registered as businesses to post their upcoming specials, sales, and promos in this "Advertisements" sub-board, and let them members choose whether or not to go in there?
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Wolf Man
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 03:08 pm |
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midnight wrote: I agree with what you guys are doing, but I wonder if there might be a middle ground?
If these shop owners want to blast advertisements for their sales, why not create a forum JUST for the ads? Perhaps below "Off-Topic". Allow people registered as businesses to post their upcoming specials, sales, and promos in this "Advertisements" sub-board, and let them members choose whether or not to go in there?
I agree with midnight. I certainly don't mind knowing about a sweet "buy-back" deal for all the space marines I don't want from the boxed set.
Then again, I don't want adverts cluttering up our discussion boards.
Personally, I think this whole forum needs a revamp. Why is Dark Heresy "Off-Topic"? If anything, it's more ON-topic than most of the crap we discuss here. 
Plus, we've got more and more subjects under all of the standard Forums, it's getting cluttered. Maybe just list the Forums on the main page to make things less busy? Is that even possible?
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HeavyLeadBelly
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 04:35 pm |
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I agree with this policy and with the suggestion of a seperate advertising section. Those posts advertising seemed almost like spam, even though I know they were not intended to be. Virtual Magic and Cavalry Games are both very good shops and I will still go there when I can but I also make visits to other local area shops.
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HDEagle71
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 04:38 pm |
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Wolf Man wrote: Then again, I don't want adverts cluttering up our discussion boards.
Personally, I think this whole forum needs a revamp. Why is Dark Heresy "Off-Topic"? If anything, it's more ON-topic than most of the crap we discuss here.
Plus, we've got more and more subjects under all of the standard Forums, it's getting cluttered. Maybe just list the Forums on the main page to make things less busy? Is that even possible?
Needs revamped eh? I seem to remember so long ago when you said the Yahoo e-mail was way better than this forum when I started it for the group
Things get cluttered because I keep getting request for a specific place to talk about XYZ so I try to accomidate everyone as I think they are good ideas. I think it allows the site to be what the group needs when interest gets going and when we move on to something different eventually that section get's deleted.
I am not going to revamp the site though I don't have the time and people would still bitch it's our nature 
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ethmongul
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 05:53 pm |
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i completely agree with this decision.
PPS, However if yous guys ever change your mind about it, and since there are a lot of people that own homes in Dco,I would like to get in on some hardware items also.
(just kidding guys)
(yeah,but seriously,we could ya know do something)
(nah)
(but hey, ya know, if ya do, ya know its cool man)
(whatever)
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ethmongul
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 05:55 pm |
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I'm sure that last thread I did is exactly what you don't want.
Appology accepted captain Needa
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Wolf Man
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 06:11 pm |
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HDEagle71 wrote: Needs revamped eh? I seem to remember so long ago when you said the Yahoo e-mail was way better than this forum when I started it for the group
Things get cluttered because I keep getting request for a specific place to talk about XYZ so I try to accomidate everyone as I think they are good ideas. I think it allows the site to be what the group needs when interest gets going and when we move on to something different eventually that section get's deleted.
I am not going to revamp the site though I don't have the time and people would still bitch it's our nature
Maybe "re-organizing" is a better word.
And yeah, I did prefer the Yahoo group more than three years ago when there were maybe a dozen or so of us chatting about one thing at a time. I also remember some people begging the rest to please, please, please move discussion over the the new (this) forum.
It was the right move. You saw the future. You set it up. You allowed our online presence to grow into what it is today. And for that, I salute you! 
That doesn't mean that mistakes haven't been made on the organization of this board however. I'm simply suggesting that maybe at some point down the road we should consider cleaning up a little. You yourself just mentioned why things get cluttered. Ergo, you know things are unorganized.
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Professor Chaos
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 09:53 pm |
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Have we ever thought that maybe we could sell advertising to up-keep the board?
It's just an idea.
All the Indy game stores in milwaukee might be willing to donate to keep us up for very cheap advertising.
Last edited on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 11:29 pm by Professor Chaos
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Pen dull
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 10:46 pm |
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I'd like to hear about sales in our local area. I think we should support our local game shops, to the point of letting them "lean" on our site for advertising.
Seriously. You think yer gonna have 15 different game shops advertising on this site?
Give the guy a friggin break you fascists. He's an independent game store.
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LordBoroth
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 02:35 am |
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I agree with Pen Dull on this subject. So far we've only had one guy posting stuff on here about his store. LET HIM POST
I know i dont contribute my time to keep this board up and running, but damnit i am a member of these boards and i hope i have some say in their running.
To stop him from posting sales he has is something i will not endorse.
I WANT to know about sales and events in the Milwaukee area.
MY TWO CENTS SO THERE
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 02:36 am |
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capitals added in last post for emphasis.....ya i'm drunk
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ethmongul
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 12:28 pm |
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so does that mean you guys are gonna pay for the taxes on that advertising or are we just gonna do it for free?
I don't want to sound like a worry wart here, but that sounds like a lot of work for those of us that DO keep up the site.So why shouldn't they get paid for it.
This brings up another topic, I mean, if your going to have advertising,why not also have a membership fee. This answer always brings up many problems, but it also could create some interesting possibilties.I mean we're always trying to get money for events that we do,T-shirts,prizes,that sort of stuff. This could be the key to unlocking some opportunities that we never had before.
Sorry to be so long winded,I mean, I'll go with whatever happens anyway, but I just think that if we were to do this stuff, we should do it so everybody(E-co and D-co and whoever else pops up)benifits from it. I mean we have enough resources to start something of this magnatude.
Feel free to rip me apart at any time. THERE"S MY 2 CENTS!
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Brother Tiberius
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 12:51 pm |
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Pen dull wrote: I'd like to hear about sales in our local area. I think we should support our local game shops, to the point of letting them "lean" on our site for advertising.
Seriously. You think yer gonna have 15 different game shops advertising on this site?
Give the guy a friggin break you fascists. He's an independent game store.
You lose serious credibility when you start calling people fascists.
-Il Douche'
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HDEagle71
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 12:53 pm |
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A membership fee would be nice but let's face it nobody has really voluteered me money to help pay for this and I don;t really think people would put a check in the mail (except Kurt) for the fee.
If we want a Advertising forum I can add that easily if we agree but 3 post advertising just started feeling like spam which I keep having to deal with fighting the robot memebers like enlargeyourpenis.
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Wolf Man
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 01:10 pm |
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HDEagle71 wrote: If we want a Advertising forum I can add that easily if we agree but 3 post advertising just started feeling like spam which I keep having to deal with fighting the robot memebers like enlargeyourpenis.
Hey, Enlargeo Yourseffi Penistilla is an avid 40k player. He just chose the wrong phrasing when shortening his name for his d-co avatar, that's all.
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 01:37 pm |
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I'm personally 100% fully on the side of letting people advertise their events. . . whether they are tournaments, campaigns, punk rock shows, ebay listings, parties, garage sales, whatever. Look through the 'Off Topic' section of the forum and you'll see all kinds of crazy stuff, and it's all good.
Brother Tiberius, I seem to remember you listing a bunch of game stuff that you needed to sell earlier this year, and that was totally cool. I bought your airbrush and a Valkyrie, and I think it worked out well for both of us.
I think that one of the ways that GW has alienated a lot of people is by having their lawyers rattle their sabres at every little breach of their policy, essentially attempting to block free speech on the internet. It's ridiculous, it doesn't work, and I don't think we need to go there at all.
Let people say whatever the fuck they want to say. That's my opinion.
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 02:01 pm |
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Brother Tiberius wrote: Pen dull wrote: I'd like to hear about sales in our local area. I think we should support our local game shops, to the point of letting them "lean" on our site for advertising.
Seriously. You think yer gonna have 15 different game shops advertising on this site?
Give the guy a friggin break you fascists. He's an independent game store.
You lose serious credibility when you start calling people fascists.
-Il Douche'
You're announcing as much to the world when you open a letter to someone with the statement "I am a licensed attorney. . ."
Leave the Inquisition on the game table.
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 02:06 pm |
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Major_Slovak wrote: Brother Tiberius wrote: Pen dull wrote: I'd like to hear about sales in our local area. I think we should support our local game shops, to the point of letting them "lean" on our site for advertising.
Seriously. You think yer gonna have 15 different game shops advertising on this site?
Give the guy a friggin break you fascists. He's an independent game store.
You lose serious credibility when you start calling people fascists.
-Il Douche'
You're announcing as much to the world when you open a letter to someone with the statement "I am a licensed attorney. . ."
Leave the Inquisition on the game table.
My take on the mentioning of attorney status has nothing to do with Inquisition/intimidation. Rather, I took it to mean that as an attorney he has handled legal affairs for D-Company in the past, and is familiar with the legal ramifications of allowing the posting of unsolicited advertising. Which, while not necessarily likely, can in some cases be construed as at least a tacit endorsement of those advertiser's goods/services/claims. Not necessarily a position D-Company want's to ever wind up in.
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 02:44 pm |
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midnight wrote: Which, while not necessarily likely, can in some cases be construed as at least a tacit endorsement of those advertiser's goods/services/claims. Not necessarily a position D-Company want's to ever wind up in.
Aren't we all taking ourselves a bit too seriously here??? I mean, we are a group of nerds who like to get together and drink ourselves stupid while playing games of armymen. But now we need to discuss legal ramifications, and advertising on our crappy web forum??? Seriously. Look around. What would advertising here look like anyway? "Come to Cavlree Gams for all you best 40k stuff and to role dice for winning"
C'mon guys, let's get real.
Just move any adverts to 'Off-Topic' and lets be done with it.
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