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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 03:21 am |
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I am curious as to how you wolf players paint your guys.
I have seen many variations and haven't set my mind on one style. The common theme I am seeing (as well as whats used for the minis in the new codex) is...
Chaos Black Primer
Shadow Grey Basecoat ( some even suggest 50/50 shadow/space wolf grey)
Space Wolf Grey Highlights
This style can either look really good, or really bad. I know this is the basic formula for most (some like it, some frown upon it for trying to be like GW) so I am curious as to what you guys use. Pictures would be great if you can provide them. Even though they are just table top use (no golden demon action here) I really enjoy the painting aspect of the hobby and will put a lot of effort into whatever I paint. I also need advice on colors used for the wolf furs and all that as I see numerous blends of browns, blacks, whites, etc. but do not know my GW colors very well by name. Most of you guys have years of experience in painting too so any advice you have is always appreciated.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 12:11 pm |
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I'm just about to start painting my new N'Jal Stormcaller model. I'll be sure to post pictures in the painting section.
I've always been torn on how to paint my Wolves - even though I've been playing and painting them for something like 14 years now! There are various paint schemes throughout my army, and that is one thing I've decided to start cleaning up over the years.
Currently, most of my Wolves are a bit darker than GW's typical Space Wolves, but I use pretty much what you've already described.
Black primer
Shadow Grey Basecoat
50/50 Shadow Grey/Space Wolves Grey first dry-brushing
Space Wolves Grey second dry-brushing (light highlights)
Personally, i don't see how the models in the book use any Shadow Grey at all. It's much darker than anything shown in the codex.
If I had to do it all over, I'd probably go with just gray. Simple gray. The original SW paint scheme (Pre-Horus Heresy) was a gray paint scheme and I used to use this on all my Characters, Wolf Guard, and Wolf Guard Terminators. I reasoned that these elite members of the army were gifted with 'ancient' suits of armor maintained very carefully over the millenia which still carried the old paint scheme.
I think the scheme was:
Primer Black.
Basecoat Fortress Gray
Black wash
Dry-brush Fortress Gray
Lighter dry-brush with Codex Gray
I actually prefer the way this looks and it's easier to paint and keep uniform looking throughout the army. My only problem is that I've done soooo many models in the Shadow Grey/Space Wolf Grey color, that to go back and re-paint them ALL gray-gray would be next to impossible. So instead I'm going to paint my new terminators the same as the Grey Hunters, Blood Claws, and Vehicles in my army - with the shadow grey.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 01:12 pm |
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I have a little bit of 'just learned' knowledge for you wolfie, that might help out. While on my voyage with the airbrush and the forgeworld book, I stumbled upon some upgrading effects that, for years, I had thought was a gerneral waste of time. Its the varnishing step. I always thought that the reason that you did that step was for your finished models to have extra protection against wear and tear. I was sooooooo wrong about that.
The masterclass guys use the varnish to make a new surface coat on the model, for upgrades and detailing. I know that your stuff is chalked full of details already, and you don't want to mess them up, so this is a perfect way to 'start over' on already painted models and not loose any of the work you have already put into it.
It was a very cool thing to find out that I had already been doing everything to my orks, almost step for step mind you, that those guys were doing to their stuff. All that was missing was to matt varnish them up (you can buy the acrylic matt varnish in spray can form at any hobby shop, you don't have to have an airbrush), and then do the next set of colors or whatever details that you want. The only drawback is if your using oil paints. They can't be cleaned off the model very easily after you put them on, but if your using acrylics, then if you mess something up, you can just wipe it off and try again. I have been doing this to my stompa for a few weeks now, and it is really awesome to know that if you mess up something, you can fix it without ruining the original look.
Just thought that might help.
On to the original question.......... The wolves look best IMO, when they are a base grey (the formulas that both of you have put down already), and really detailed up on the shoulder guards, and the rest of the details. The yellow outlines on some parts of the armor comes to mind. The beards are the next thing. I would start with base browns, wash with grephonne wash, and then highlight with a very, very thin drybrush of light grey or even white to finish it up.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 01:29 pm |
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I like Steve's latest and greatest drybrush look (same colors referenced) but I really don't like GWs base look fort he beasties.
I briefly looked through the GW codex and did not see anything cool for paint either which was unusual I generally like the work they put into the models.
I will never look down on your paint if all your models are painted that is so much more nicer that coming up with your special paint scheme.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 01:55 pm |
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ethmongul wrote: The masterclass guys use the varnish to make a new surface coat on the model, for upgrades and detailing.
Ahhh! That is something new! Thanks for the tip.
I too thought that varnishing was just for protecting the model from everyday use.
Unfortunately, for me anyway, I found that even matte varnish still left what appears to be a bit of a glossy shine on models I tried it on years ago, and for that reason I've refused to use it... ever. You can't get more "matte" than paint, in my opinion. Unfortunately, that attitude of mine means that a lot of models I own have paint rubbing off of them. 
Maybe I'll look into varnish (and it's new uses) some more this time around. 
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 02:17 pm |
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I have seen many examples of the grey look, one in particular is after this link...
post # 105
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=168121&st=75
It uses the grey scheme and I think looks amazing. He even posted a tutorial link underneath which I am seriously contemplating.
Last edited on Wed Oct 14th, 2009 04:38 pm by Bi66z
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 04:04 pm |
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post # 105?
Yeah, that DOES look like a cool army.
But look at the full army picture. There's a can of Arizona Iced Tea in the background where there SHOULD be a tall can of Bitburger or something similar.
http://www.d-company-wi.com/forum33/1689.html
Arizona Iced Tea....... I don't trust it. Abandon paint scheme.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 04:31 pm |
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hmmm, yeah sorry post #105, I thought I changed the link on my previous post but apparently it didnt happen. Anyway, yeah. I agree the grey looks much nicer than the blue or whatever GW has going on, I mean their artists obviously can make anything look appealing but thats them. I guess the question I ask now, is the straight grey look stay true to space wolf lore? I dont know because I haven't been exposed to that much fluff yet. Seems like most are saying codex grey and fortress grey to go that route. I attached an image done in photoshop of the new models removing all blue from the armor. While I realize it isn't exactly how they will look it does give me an idea of what grey will look like rather than the blue/grey they have going on. I almost think they look cool like this.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 05:37 pm |
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take a look on lexicanum: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Wolves
There is alot of background info, including a picture of the pre-heresy scheme from the 1st edition rulebook (Rogue Trader) and a current scheme.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 06:04 pm |
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Wolf Man wrote: ethmongul wrote: The masterclass guys use the varnish to make a new surface coat on the model, for upgrades and detailing.
Ahhh! That is something new! Thanks for the tip.
I too thought that varnishing was just for protecting the model from everyday use.
Unfortunately, for me anyway, I found that even matte varnish still left what appears to be a bit of a glossy shine on models I tried it on years ago, and for that reason I've refused to use it... ever. You can't get more "matte" than paint, in my opinion. Unfortunately, that attitude of mine means that a lot of models I own have paint rubbing off of them.
Maybe I'll look into varnish (and it's new uses) some more this time around.
The newest stuff put out by citidel is a very interesting choice. They also have another called 'purity seal', that looks like it could be useful. I have also been resaerching railroad paint and model airplane stuff also. There is a lot of really high quality stuff out there that really wasn't available before. Even the GW paints are loads better than they were 10 yrs ago.
I have to do some more research, but its definately something that i'm going to look at with all of my chaos figs, and orks for that matter. I have so many of both at this point that it would be neat to be able to go over them again and really finish them off right.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 06:41 pm |
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As Boroth and I mentioned, the purely gray scheme is from the Pre-Heresy era.
But if you like that scheme (as I do), then it really wouldn't be that far fetched to paint your Wolves that color and just say that YOUR Great Company prefers to "stay true to Russ" and paints all their armor in the pre-heresy colors.
Space Wolves are notoriously rebellious anyway. So if shouldn't be a problem to deviate from the blue/gray of GW's Space Wolves. I've seen other guys paint their SWs in a purely gray scheme.
My B'Jorn dread is painted in gray, and even though I plan on bringing the rest of the army in line with my vehicles and other models, I have NO plans on changing B'jorn. He is the last surviving Space Pup to actually fight along side Leman Russ, and his armor would've been a pre-heresy gray and should still be a pre-heresy gray now (in my opinion).
I'll try to post some of my Space Wolves pics in the painting section in the next couple days. They should be up this weekend as I start on N'jal. That way you can see my old gray terminators and the newer scheme I have going on with the rest of the stuff.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15th, 2009 01:46 am |
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LordBoroth wrote: take a look on lexicanum: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Space_Wolves
There is alot of background info, including a picture of the pre-heresy scheme from the 1st edition rulebook (Rogue Trader) and a current scheme.
Sweet, thanks for that link!
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Posted: Thu Oct 15th, 2009 04:11 am |
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i just bookmarked these links they will come in handy when I get to painting my wolves
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Posted: Fri Oct 16th, 2009 10:36 pm |
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I have taken one of my terminators from the black reach set and am sampling a paint scheme (pre heresy grey) to see how I like it. So far it is going pretty good although I am using delta ceramcoat paints (someone said they were good, boy were they wrong, the crap is watery as all hell and makes detailing hard.) I will have pics up in a few days I have to finish the other arm tonight! Since I am not sticking with delta paints (gonna give in and go with GW paints, safest bet) the terminator that I will post will be an example of what I will go with should I stick with the grey. Still undecided at this point 
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